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Is the Shroud of Turin a fake or a forgery as many say?





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WHY? WAS THERE SOIL DISCOVERED ON FEET, KNEE, & NOSE OF THE SHROUD OF TURIN? In this video below we see Dr. Nitowski scientific research which reveals the original blood stains of Jesus magnified, soil and dirt test, fibres and blood cells, damaged knee of the Shroud, magnified human hair, human muscle, calcium and limestone, myrrh and aloes, pollen from flowers in Judea, Pontius Pilate coins on the eyelids, and much more relating to everything you would expect from the true burial cloth of Jesus known as, The Shroud of Turin. Every mark, soil, image and stain on the Shroud is in perfect agreement with all the 4 gospels.


UPDATE 26/05/2013
HERE is The peer reviewed info referring and validating the Shroud. The two peer reviewed papers that challenge the 1988 c14 dating of the Shroud are: ROGERS, Raymond N. - “[PDF] Studies on the radiocarbon sample from the shroud of turin Studies on the Radiocarbon Sample from the Shroud of Turin” [January 20, 2005] Thermochimica Acta 425 (2005) pp.189-194. BENFORD, M. Sue and MARINO, Joseph G. - [PDF] Discrepancies in the Radiocarbon Dating Area of the Turin Shroud Discrepancies in the radiocarbon dating area of the Turin shroud Chemistry Today, vol 26 n 4, [July-August 2008]
I hope this is helpful.


We, Simon and Emma Brown are proud to support the fact that the Turin Shroud is genuine and is the burial cloth of Jesus, preserved by God as evidence of His time on earth; the scourging, crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ (YESHUA) the promised Messiah, preserved so that future generations may study it and come to believe and be saved.

"And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,"
Matthew 27:59 King James 2000 Bible (©2003)

We believe this because God, knowing man's rebellious heart, would refuse to believe that he sent his Son to become our Great High Priest, and pay the ultimate and perfect sacrifice, replacing animal sacrifices, and becoming the Lamb of God "who takes away the sin of the world"

We also know that most of the world does not believe that Jesus is Christ (YESHUA) the promised Messiah, just as stated in this verse; 2 Corinthians 4 V 4, "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

We believe the Shroud should not be worshipped in any way, but can be used to strengthen and confirm faith in a tangible, physical way, and help bring others who require proof, to come to a knowledge of Gods saving grace.

As born again believers, we worship nothing but Jesus Christ (Yeshua), who is the essence of faith in our hearts, and that through the work of the Holy Spirit each believer has a trusting, abiding faith in Jesus Christ only. Amen.


Is the Shroud of Turin a fake or a forgery as many say? Or is it truly the cloth that covered the body of Jesus Christ by Joseph of Arimathaea?

DO NOT BE DECEIVED. ‘Seek and you will find’ said Jesus.





©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved

Here you can read information and watch the film with the most up-to-date evidence on the most important event in the history of man-kind:

The Evidence and The True Face of The Shroud Book and film.

We are in the last days. Now the scoffers have been and gone. It is Time.
Discover the TRUTH here for FREE.

Here you can learn what scientists have now discovered.
Sit down and fasten your seatbelts. What I am going to tell you is that, according to scientists:

The absolute proof that the Shroud could not be a forgery.

Here you will learn scientists claimed that the corner from which the radiocarbon sample had been taken was in fact a re-woven, patched, or repaired corner.

You will also learn about Marino Benford’s and Sue Benford’s brilliant bit of detective work. They found clear indications of a discrete repair to the Shroud.



Here you will learn about Ray Rogers who was an explosives research expert and thermal analyst. He discovered Madder root dye and gum on the fibres of the Shroud. This is clear evidence of the careful mending of the Shroud that was intended to be imperceptible and of a thread indicating a medieval repair.

Here you will learn about Peter Shumacher, the inventor of the NASA VP-8 Image Analyser describing the discovery of the 3D image. He states; ‘I had never heard of the Shroud of Turin before that moment. I had no idea what I was looking at. However, the results were unlike anything I have ever seen’.

Script By Matthew Tulloch Produced By Simon Brown

The crucifixion is the most significant event in the history of man, when God’s son Jesus Christ died so that we may be saved. Since that day, people have struggled to prove to themselves and others that the events described in the Bible really happened. Yet there remains only one real piece of concrete physical evidence for us to look to in order to discover the true face of Jesus.

The Shroud of Turin is said to be the burial cloth of Jesus, and it is at once the most controversial and talked about artifact on the planet.

Analyzed for hundreds of years by scholars and scientists, many believe that the Shroud holds the key to proving once and for all that Jesus died for our sins just as described in The Bible.

Now we believe we can do just that, with the help of some skeptical scientists...









©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved



A brilliant chemist...
And the man who photographed the Shroud over thirty years ago, and was so touched by the experience that he rededicated the rest of his life to spreading the message of the Shroud as far and wide as possible. Barrie SCHWORTZ states ...and he said, "Well look Barrie, let me give you some advice. Go over to Turin, do the best job you can and one day you'll know why.
Because God doesn't tell you in advance what the plan is.

Join us as we embark on a journey to uncover the truth about the Shroud of Turin and the true face of Jesus Christ.

Unless I see the scars of the nails in his hands, and put my finger on those scars, and my hand in his side, I will not believe. John 20:25

The world is full of Doubting Thomases, people who need to see with their own eyes the physical proof of things that others are willing to believe on faith alone. Seek and ye shall find, said Jesus, and it was in this spirit that the Shroud of Turin Research Project set out in 1978 to try to uncover the truth about the Shroud.






©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved



Dozens of the world’s best scientists from the Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories, the U.S. Air Force Academy and NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab, amongst others, converged on Turin, where they spent 120 hours running over 1,000 tests and taking over 30,000 photographs of the cloth in which Jesus was buried. Amongst them was expert photographer Barrie Schwortz.





©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved



BARRIE SCHWORTZ INTERVIEW
I founded shroud.com over 15 years ago in 1996, and that web site has grown to become the largest, and the oldest, and probably the most relevant web site on the Shroud of Turin on the whole Internet. And the reason for that simply is that I have no bias from a Christian or non-Christian point of view. I can stick to the science, I can stick to the facts... Barrie Schwortz, like many of the
scientists on the Shroud Research Team, was a sceptic. He was in Turin as a professional just doing his job. But what the team found when they got there it was to change their lives forever.

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states ...there were hundreds of tests taken in 1978 that indicated the shroud was not a painting, was not a photograph, it was not the kind of thing that one would expect to be a manufactured relic.





©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved



BARRIE states ...a wealth of other evidence gathered by our team and others indicated that Shroud was not a fake, that it was not a medieval painting, forgery, hoax, photograph, rubbing, etching, dust painting... these are all things that had been basically used to describe the shroud and what it might have been.

So the first thing that the scientists found, much to their surprise and delight, was that the Shroud was not a fake. At least in so far as it was not created by any artistic means currently known to mankind. All of the research team’s tests indicated that this was a genuine burial cloth. But then how could they be sure that it was actually the shroud of Jesus Christ and nobody else?

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states Now when you look at the shroud a little closer you'll also see a number of stains, the most important of which if you look directly near his heart, is the darkest blood stain which we call the 'spear wound' blood stain, that appears on the shroud.





Blood stains near the wrists of the man of the Shroud.

©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved

Now as you come down the shroud and look again at the hands you'll see blood stains near the wrists of the man of the shroud. Now this would be the crucifixion wound from where the hands were nailed to the cross. And unlike all medieval and renaissance art, which always depicts the nailing of the hands through the palms themselves, this shows an exit wound further up the wrist, and would have been the correct exit wound for the nailing through the wrists, because the Romans did this all the time and they knew very well where to nail the hands so they wouldn't come loose, and in the middle of the palm is not the place to do that. Closer to the wrist.





Jesus on the cross showing wrists of the man of the shroud.


BARRIE SCHWORTZ states So unlike all medieval and renaissance art, the shroud shows it forensically accurate in the wrist.

The researchers discovered that if the Shroud was a fake, it must have been created by an artist with a comprehensive understanding of the forensics of crucifixion. Something that virtually no other artists of that period have demonstrated. But there was more...





Front view of the shroud showing blood stains
©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved

The blood stains on the Shroud clearly correspond to the wounds of a man who has been whipped and scourged before being crucified. Why is this important? Well, because the Romans didn't usually treat prisoners this way before an execution. But we know from the gospels that Pontius Pilate was very uncomfortable with the idea of killing Jesus, who in his eyes had committed no crime...

THE GOSPEL OF JOHN - tells us that PILATE said to the PHARISEE


What do you accuse this man of? The PHARISEE replied "We would not have brought him to you if he had not committed a crime. PILATE replied "Then you yourselves take him, and try him according to your own law. PHARISEE replied "We are not allowed to put anyone to death. This happened in order to make come true what Jesus had said when he indicated the kind of death he would die.

So Pilate had Jesus whipped and scourged instead to try to pacify the Jewish authorities and save Jesus from execution.

THE GOSPEL OF JOHN tells us The soldiers made a crown out of thorny branches, and put it on his head. Then they put a purple robe on him, and came to him, and said, “long live the king of the Jews!”

But Pilate was unsuccessful, and the people demanded that Jesus be crucified. So Jesus was one of the few people to have been treated this way before being crucified, and therefore one of the few people to whom the Shroud of Turin could possibly belong. And what of the crown of thorns mentioned by the gospels?





THE SHROUD, SHOWING THE BLOOD STAINS ON THE HEAD
©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved

BARRIE SCHWORTZ: Now if we look at the face of the man of the shroud, we see blood stains on the forehead. And if we go further we see blood stains in the hair. And if you look at the dorsal or back view of the head that shows the back of the head you see many blood stains there as well. We have stains on the shroud, on the head, as if from a cap, or 'crown' of thorns. So once again, everything about the Shroud of Turin, all the blood stains, all of these markings, are accurate to the gospel account of what was done to Jesus when he was scourged, beaten, and if you look at the man's face (once again I should mention), if you look at the face, look at the bruised cheek bones, one more swollen than the other but both rather swollen. So this man had been beaten in the face, he had been scourged, he had been then crucified, and then he was speared in the side. And what we have here is an accurate description, forensically accurate, of a crucified man, exactly as the gospel accounts of Jesus.

So far, so good! Over a thousand tests later, the research team had determined that this was very possibly the true burial shroud of Jesus. The whole world was abuzz with talk of the Shroud of Turin, and what it might mean if we finally had real, physical, undisputable scientific proof of the crucifixion.

But then something happened to throw the whole question into doubt again.

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states Probably the most important scientific test that was performed on the Shroud of Turin after our examination of the cloth in 1978 was the carbon 14 or radiocarbon dating that was performed on the shroud in 1988, ten years later.





C14 corner
©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved

So interestingly enough, there was a two hour debate as they stood over the shroud as to where to take this single sample from. And ultimately it was decided to take it from a corner of the shroud, far away from the image and the other blood stains and things on the shroud, but not far from a water stain and a scorch, but down in this corner right next to an existing seam so it would appear that this was authentic Shroud of Turin.





C14 CORNER SAMPLE ZONE
©1978 Barrie M. Schwortz Collection, STERA, Inc., All Rights Reserved



BARRIE SCHWORTZ states Although in our photographs of 1978, even the regular white light photographs, there was a different colour in that area. But we weren't really that concerned about that part of the shroud, since we weren't thinking about radiocarbon dating in 1978, so we didn't pay that much attention to that corner. In 1988, that's the corner they sampled from, they took a piece and cut it into thirds, and each was distributed to the three laboratories that remained involved in the testing.


So they took their sample, they did their testing, they came out with their results which was a medieval date, 1260-1390 I believe, and they with much fanfare went up on the television, and the media, and the world headlines were, "Shroud is a fake!"

Sounds familiar? The common answer of the Doubting Thomases these days, when faced with the question of the Shroud of Turin, is to bring up the carbon dating. Three different teams of scientists tested a piece of the shroud and found that it was only seven hundred years old. It couldn’t possibly have been the burial shroud of Christ. It isn’t nearly old enough. You can’t argue with that. It’s science. Well you know what? We agree. And the original Shroud research team agree. And for a while it left them completely puzzled...

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states So at the end of this period of 1999 when the results were announced, those of us who were involved with the study of the shroud from a truly scientific point of view were left scratching our heads and wondering, "how could this be?"

In fact the answer was right infront of their eyes, or had been all those years ago when the team had a discussion about which part of the shroud to take for carbon dating.

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states So interestingly enough, there was a two hour debate as they stood over the shroud as to where to take this single sample from. And ultimately it was decided to take it from a corner of the shroud They went away, none of them performed the chemical analysis that was called for by their own protocol, and when they were asked why the response was, "well we know which sample the shroud was, so we didn't need to do the chemical analysis."

None of the three teams entrusted with carbon dating the Shroud sample followed their own protocol to make sure there was nothing wrong or unusual about the piece of the shroud they had chosen for their tests. At the time, and when news of the test results hit news stands around the world, nobody knew whether this oversight would have made any difference. But one man was determined to find out.





RAY ROGERS
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Born in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Ray Rogers was an explosives research expert and thermal analyst with the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory for over thirty years before serving on the Department of the Air Force Scientific Advisory Board, where he held the equivalent rank of Lt. General and earned a Distinguished Service Award. Ray Rogers wasn’t just a scientist, he was one of America’s finest. He was also part of the original Shroud of Turin research team in 1978.





Marino and Sue Benford, brilliant bit of detective work.



BARRIE SCHWORTZ states Ray Rogers re-addressed the shroud. He was ill, and his time was coming to pass away, and he knew that he hadn't really completed what he had begun, and so Ray decided that he would revisit this issue of the shroud. And one of the first things that prompted him to do so was a paper that was published in 2000 by Joe Marino and Sue Benford, Story continued-that claimed that the corner from which the radiocarbon sample had been taken was in fact a re-woven, patched, or repaired corner.

(photo) Medieval Re weaving the Shroud of Turin
It was a brilliant bit of detective work. Sue Benford and Joseph Marino consulted with several textile experts. They examined the documenting photographs of the carbon 14 samples and other close up photographs of the Shroud. They found clear indications of a discrete repairs to the Shroud. The repair seems to have been what modern tailors call invisible re weaving. This results in an intermingling of new and older thread.Threads are even spliced together. The newer thread is carefully dyed to match the older material so as to make it almost invisible to the naked eye.
This was a common method by which artisans repaired valuable tapestries during the middle ages.

Rogers saw their paper and called me up and said, "Look, I'm going to prove these people wrong and it's only going to take me five minutes." And I said, "Fine Ray, you do what you have to do." I mean he was a scientist and wasn't asking my permission anyway. Ray told me afterwards that he spent one hour examining samples he had from that corner where the radiocarbon dating sample had been removed, and he said after one hour he found that Benford and Marino were correct, and that he was wrong, and there was evidence that this corner was anomalous.





RAY ROGERS
© 2002 Raymond Rogers Collection, STERA, Inc. All Rights Reserved



BARRIE SCHWORTZ states Now remembering that Ray Rogers is a chemist, Ray took his sample and he performed a chemical analysis and a microscopic analysis. What the microscopic analysis revealed was a gummy substance on the surface of the fibres on this corner.





Madder root dye and gum on fibres. This is clear evidence of careful mending intended to be imperceptible.
© 2002 Raymond Rogers Collection, STERA, Inc. All Rights Reserved



Now when he did the chemical analysis of the 'gummy' substance he found that it was gum Arabic, and when he looked at the gum Arabic under the microscope he found little particles of a dye that came from from the Madder Root plant.

History

Madder roots have been used as a dye for over 5,000 years. Archaeologists have found traces of madder in linen in Tutankhamen’s tomb (1350 BC), and in wool discovered in Norse burial grounds. This was a strange discovery which, on its own, offered no real answers about how the radiocarbon dating could have produced such a strange result. But there was more...

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states The other thing that he found that was very unique was cotton interwoven with the linen itself...





Thread found indicating a medieval repair
© 2002 Raymond Rogers Collection, STERA, Inc. All Rights Reserved



There was no cotton found anywhere else interwoven with the fibres of the shroud linen, so this made it unique.

Well this changed everything, and consequently Ray found a splice in one of his samples, he actually found an end-to-end splice, and this is not found in the rest of the shroud, one can look at the transmitted light photographs I made (light passing through the shroud) and in many places you could see where at the end of a piece of yarn, a hank of yarn, when they had to attach a new hank of yarn, they just laid them literally one on top of the other and slammed down the loom device, and kept on weaving. There were no splices found elsewhere on the shroud, though there is a splice in this corner.





© 2002 Raymond Rogers Collection, STERA, Inc. All Rights Reserved

This close up of the spliced thread found by Rogers was in the Raes sample, which was adjacent to the 19c-14 sample area. Rogers found both cotton and dyes in the Raes thread indicating a medieval repair.

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states Now to be certain that he was correct, because Ray was a really empirical scientist, Ray Rogers obtained a reserve piece of the actual sample cut for radiocarbon dating back in 1988 from the Turin authorities. So he obtained this sample and he performed the same chemical analysis on this and found exactly the same thing. So we now know that this sample, this corner of the shroud is anomalous and is not the same as the rest of the shroud. 5-K-10 small.jpg Remember that when Ray Rogers decided to undertake this new test, he didn’t believe that the corner of the shroud could have been re woven or in any way tampered with. The people who were suggesting as much, their theory was ridiculous, he said. They weren’t scientists, he said. He was going to prove them wrong in five minutes, he said. Instead, it took Ray Rogers just five minutes to undermine the single biggest doubt cast upon the legitimacy of the shroud.



TO READ MORE ON THIS ARTICLE GO TO LINK AT THE BOTTOM.

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states Now this is extremely important obviously from a radiocarbon dating point of view because if there was a re-woven section done sometime in medieval times, then by all means that would yield a different radiocarbon date than some of the shroud that was not manipulated elsewhere on the cloth. So had more than one sample been taken perhaps we would have had
some indication right away that there was a discrepancy between this corner and the rest of the cloth. But because that was the only sample taken everybody drew their conclusions virtually from a single sample. And although three different labs tested it they all tested the same sample, so it was really only one test done three times, not three different tests, because they all use the same AM/FM radio radiocarbon dating technique.




Ray Rogers
© 2002 Raymond Rogers Collection, STERA, Inc. All Rights Reserved


It’s important to keep in mind the backgrounds of Ray Rogers and Barrie Schwortz. Ray, one of the world’s top chemists, a sceptic, who refused to believe until he carried out an experiment forhimself that the radiocarbon dating could have been flawed. Barrie, also a sceptic when he joined the Shroud research team, a Jewish man investigating a Christian relic. These guys placed their absolute faith in science, and in facts, and spoke only the truth as they saw it with their own eyes. They had no hidden agendas. But were there others involved in the Shroud research who did have their own agendas? It’s an interesting question...

In the gospel of John Jesus tells us Those who speak on their own authority are trying to gain glory for themselves. But he who wants glory for the one who sent him is honest, and there is nothing false in him. BARRIE SCHWORTZ states Perhaps the greatest irony of this whole process is that had the three laboratories performed the chemical analysis that was part of their original protocol back in 1988, had they performed that chemical analysis, had they looked at these samples under a microscope and then chemically as Ray Rogers did, perhaps they too would have found this anomaly in this area and then gone back and said look, we do have to get some samples from elsewhere on the shroud. But that's not what happened. What happened was, they were satisfied with the single sample. They didn't perform the chemical analysis. And considering that this was claimed to be a 'blind study', meaning they weren't supposed to know which samples were which, yet by their own admission they didn't do the chemical analysis because they knew which samples were the shroud. So somehow there's a discrepancy that I won't go into.





Photomicrograph of fibres from a warp segment of carbon-14 sample. Chemically, it is unlike the rest of the Shroud.
© 2002 Raymond Rogers Collection, STERA, Inc. All Rights Reserved



Now when we think about it, all that Rogers really did was finish what they had started by getting a reserve portion of the same sample that had been cut, by performing both the microscopic and chemical analysis, Rogers was able to determine that this area of the Shroud of Turin was different from the rest of the cloth.

The Filmy Substance That Holds the Pictures of Jesus

Phase-contrast microscope picture of a single fiber from the Shroud TurinThe substance is a dried carbohydrate mixture of starch fractions and various saccharides (sugars). It is as thin (180 to 600 nanometers) as the wall of a soap bubble. It is thinner than the invisible glare proof coating on modern eyeglasses. The coating is only found on the outermost fibres of the thread. In fact, it is only found where the fibres are close to the surface of the Shroud's cloth. In other words, the fibres inside the thread, deep in the cloth, do not have this filmy substance. Another important fact is that the carbohydrate coating can be removed by scraping or by pulling it away with adhesive tape. Over the years, as the Shroud of Turin was folded and unfolded, rolled up and unrolled and spread out across rough surfaces, microscopic bits of the filmy substance certainly flaked away. In fact, when the Shroud was examined in 1978, pieces of the substance -- pieces of the pictures -- were pulled away when adhesive tape was rubbed on the Shroud to collect particulate samples for research. Today, countless tiny bits of these pictures of Jesus, even whole fibres of the Shroud's cloth, are stuck to microscope slides and sampling tapes in laboratories in the United States. Scientist have a pretty good idea about how the the coating got there. It wasn't brushed on or wiped on as one might apply sizing to a canvas before painting. Had that been the case, the starch and sugar mixture would have soaked at least part of the way through the Shroud. Fibres inside the thread would have been coated. Capillary action would have pulled the mixture into the middle of the threads.

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Story from above continued Now that's significant because in essence what was tested was an area that had been repaired, re-woven, patched, whatever word you want to use.

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states But that brings me to the subject of the visible detection of this, because some of the authorities in Turin continued to insist that Ray Rogers was wrong and this was impossible because they don't see a repair. Well, that is a very valid point because usually when something's re-woven, if you look on the back side you'll see threads sticking out. In other words, we only in modern day re-weaving repair the side that is to be viewed, the outside of your trousers when you burn a hole in them and you get them re-woven, the outside looks perfect and you can't find it but on the inside you can see where the repair was made.

Madder root dye and gum on fibres. This is clear evidence of careful mending intended to be imperceptible.





Cloth showing weaving was so perfect.
© 2002 Raymond Rogers Collection, STERA, Inc. All Rights Reserved


BARRIE Well interestingly enough, in the fifteen and sixteen hundreds the French had perfected something that they called 'invisible re-weaving'. Now when this first was mentioned by Benford and Marino most people just sort of waved their hands and said, "Please, if this was there we would have seen it by now!" Well Benford and Marino quoted from a reference, one of their references was a book written by one of the curators of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, a textile expert in his own right, and he devoted two entire chapters to French invisible re weaving. And it was perfected in the French court at the same time the shroud was documented to be in France. And secondly, according to the expert, this type of re-weaving was so perfect, and they had perfected it on both sides of the re-woven cloth, that the only way anyone could detect this would be with a microscope and to know exactly what to look for and where to look for it, otherwise it would remain invisible. It's that good.

Cotton fibers coated with gum



This colour enhanced image shows the intermixing of old and new threads found in the Raes sample. Rogers observed that, unlike 1st century splicing that compressed two ends together, this splicing technique twisted the two threads together.

(photo) sample taken from here. C14 Area
Well, it's very hard for a skeptic to believe that such a technique could be even in existence, particularly in medieval times. And yet, there is absolute scientific evidence to the fact that this technique was performed and that the shroud was in fact in France at this very same time. BARRIE SCHWORTZ states So there seems to be a correlation that obviously if there is a repair, and the shroud was in France, what better object than the Shroud of Turin would the King of France or the French court choose to use this spectacular technique on than this cloth, reported to be a relic of Jesus?


Ray Rogers had not only blown a hole in the carbon dating ‘evidence’ frequently used by doubters to discredit the Shroud. The only piece of hard scientific evidence in fact to cast any serious doubts on its authenticity, but he had also enlisted the help of textile experts to explain the results that he was seeing. But what would the international scientific community make of these findings?

BARRIE SCHWORTZ states So what conclusion can we draw from all of this? Well there is no doubt that the work of Ray Rogers, which by the way isn't just published in a TV documentary or a web site or a magazine or some commercial book, Ray Rogers submitted his research on this anomalous sample to one of the finest chemistry journals in all of the world, a journal named 'Thermochemica Acta', and they spent seven months reviewing his work, making him make changes, going back and making him re-do certain parts of his experimentation, furthering his documentation of what he'd found, and after seven months his paper was published in January of 2005. So we now have the first piece of peer-reviewed scientific evidence that's appeared in a refereed scientific journal, proving that the sample used in 1988 for the radiocarbon dating of the shroud was in fact anomalous, did not represent the main body of the shroud cloth, and consequently the Shroud of Turin itself was not dated but only this repaired corner was dated, which was obviously a synthesis of both old and new threads yielding the medieval date that was concluded by the 1988 radiocarbon dating. So that test, if we just look purely at the science, forget about all the other commercial aspects and the bloggers and the pundits, looking solely at the science this is the first conclusive evidence that indicates that the Shroud of Turin itself was not dated...

... but a repair was. Now there are many people who disagree with this, and they'll continue to disagree, and my answer to that is simply this: That if somebody finds something wrong in what Ray did, Ray Rogers himself would have been the first to say publish it, get it into the literature, and I will change my mind, as he had done on more than one occasion in the world of the shroud. As new evidence came in Rogers was flexible, and was willing to accept that his original opinions and conclusions might have been wrong, and was willing to change as the evidence showed otherwise. That's what I call real science.

Real science performed by the Shroud of Turin Research Team in 1978, and continued by the likes of Barrie Schwortz and Ray Rogers, indicates that not only is the Shroud -not- a fake, but also that the main piece of evidence against it, the radiocarbon dating, is significantly flawed so as to be practically useless. As Barrie says, the scientists found that the Shroud was not a medieval painting, not a forgery, a hoax, a photograph, rubbing, etching, dust painting, or any of the other possibilities suggested by the doubters. Yet there were still doubters. If only we had some other piece of evidence to corroborate the story of the Shroud... What many people don’t realize, is that we do... Cathedral of San Salvador in Oviedo, Spain. Fiercely protected behind lock and key at the Cathedral of San Salvador in Oviedo, Spain





Fiercely protected sits a great wooden ark.
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Wooden ark
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The metal front, fashioned in distinctly Roman style, shows the image of a man on what appears to be a throne, surrounded by twelve other figures. Legend has it that this chest was kept secretly in a cave near a monastery in Jerusalem until the seventh century, when Persian invaders forced the monks to flee, taking the ark with them to Spain. They risked their lives to keep this box safe because of what it contains

THE GOSPEL OF JOHN 20 tells us

1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”

3 So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb.

4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first.

5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in.

6 Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there,

7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen.

8 Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.


Inside the Roman ark at the Cathedral in Oviedo is a piece of cloth known as the Sudarium of Oviedo. Sudarium means shroud. It is said to be the cloth that was wrapped around Jesus’ head when he was buried, as described in the Gospel of John.





The Sudarium
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Blood tests conducted on the Sudarium and the Shroud of Turin prove that both are of the same blood type - AB - a rare blood type amongst medieval Europeans but common in the Middle East. What’s more, pollen samples taken from both cloths place them both in the Palestine area, and textile experts have confirmed that the Sudarium is made from the same fabric as the shroud.

Are the Shroud and the Sudarium really linked? Look and ye shall find, said Jesus. There would seem to be no doubt that both the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo both covered the same man.





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A man of Middle Eastern origin who was scourged and whipped...





Back view of the shroud Nailed to a cross...
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Shroud showing blood stains on the feet Nailed to a cross...
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Crowned with thorns...





THE SHROUD showing THORN BLOOD STAINS
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SUDARIUM showing THORN BLOOD STAINS.
So the scientists found that the Shroud of Turin was not a fake. Not a hoax. Not a painting, or a photograph, or any of the other things that the doubters claimed. And Ray Rogers found that the radiocarbon dating, the only scientific test to cast real doubts on the authenticity of the shroud, was fatally flawed. The blood stains on both the Shroud and the Sudarium match the description of events in the gospels. Now having seen everything we have seen, let us consider again our friend Thomas.



Unless I see the scars of the nails in his hands, and put my finger on those scars, and my hand in his side, I will not believe.

Surely the modern day Doubting Thomases would have to agree that they have now seen solid evidence of these things. Yet many of them will still not believe. And somehow, we know that many of them never will. Why not? Well, the gospels have something to say on the matter...



THE GOSPEL OF JOHN - states This is how the judgement works. The light has come into the world, but people love the darkness rather than the light because their deeds are evil. Those who do evil things hate the light, and will not come to the light, because they do not want their evil deed to be shown up. But those who do what is true come to the light, in order that the light may show that what they did is in obedience to God.





The topographical 3 d image of the Shroud created by the VP-8 computer
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Some people will never accept the truth because they are afraid. Maybe there is nothing we can do about that, except to plead with them to keep their eyes open. For when their eyes are open they may truly see, and the truth may come to them. Which leads us to one final, incredible piece of the scientific puzzle...

The VP-8 Image Analyzer is a computer that scientists use to make topographical maps of the moon and other things. It analyzes light and dark areas of an image to determine the three-dimensional
qualities of the object in the image. So for example, it can tell us how deep the craters are on the moon. The VP-8 analyzer needs photographs to be taken in a particular way in order to be accurate. A normal photograph fed into the machine will just display a jumbled mess of light and dark patches, because the light and dark areas of a regular photograph have little to do with how far away the subject is. Well just out of curiosity, a group of scientists at the Los Alamos National Laboratories fed a photograph of the Shroud through a VP-8 image analyzer. This is what they saw...



The topographical image of the Shroud created by the VP-8 computer shows very clearly the image of a man in three dimensions. The image is darker where his body would have touched the cloth directly, like his nose, and fainter where it would have been farther away, like his neck. In fact the VP-8 map of the Shroud shows the image of the man more clearly than ever before, and in doing so proves once and for all that the Shroud of Turin cannot possibly have been made using photographic methods. In fact this discover convinced the scientists at Los Alamos that the image on the Shroud must have been formed by the cloth being draped over a real human being.

Peter Shumacher, the inventor of the NASA VP-8 Image Analyzer, describes the discovery of the 3 D image.

I had never heard of the Shroud of Turin before that moment. I had no idea what I was looking at. However, the results were unlike anything I have processed through the VP-8 Analyzer, before or since. Only the Shroud of Turin has produced these results from a VP-8 Image Analyzer isometric projection study

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VP-8: the image analyzer

The absolute proof that the Shroud could not be a forgery (exhibit 4)
Sit down and fasten your seatbelts. What I am going to tell you is, according to scientists, "impossible," and yet it is an established fact.

Incomprehensible, so a "miracle." Let me begin by quoting from a passage of Professor Heller's book Report on the Shroud of Turin. Heller is a physicist and chemist. He first learned about the "shroud affair" from reading a paper in the leading science journal Science, rather shockingly entitled "The Science of Miracles." You don't have to be a scientist to listen to his story:

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The Shroud of Turin is a truly unique artifact, a three dimensional image on a two dimensional piece of cloth. This in itself is something of a miracle. It suggests that the image on the Shroud was intended to be viewed as more than just a picture. It suggests that the Shroud itself is trying to say something to those willing to look hard enough. But what? Renowned Christian scholar and medical doctor Richard Kent has some thoughts on the matter...



Jesus said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the Kingdom of God has been given to you. But to others I speak in parables, so that, though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.” (pause) Could the Shroud of Turin be a parable for modern times? A physical manifestation of Jesus’ promise that those who seek shall find, and that those who believe in him will understand the secrets of the Kingdom? You know, God is sending us messages every day, letting us know that he is here and watching over us, but many people never see or hear those messages because they’re simply not looking or listening for the truth. I think that if you look again at the image on the Shroud with your mind and heart open, the truth of the matter couldn't be clearer.





THE SHROUD CLOSE UP
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BARRIE SCHWORTZ states And an interesting little story - When my son saw it with me in 1998, he was eighteen at the time, we stood before the actual shroud in the Turin cathedral. And being a tall kid he leaned down and whispered in my ear, "That's not a painting." Well I didn't want to disrespect those who were there in the cathedral, so I waited until we exited the cathedral and I turned to him and I said, "David, what prompted you to say that? How do you reach that conclusion that it's not a painting just from looking at it?" And he says, "Look, artists spend their whole lives trying to perfect their art, their craft, so that when they paint something it's clear, it's understandable, it's obvious. The shroud is so subtle that at the distance that we were standing we could see the image distinctly. But as you get closer, for example within arms' length of the Shroud of Turin, you have to keep stepping away from it again and asking well what exactly am I looking at? Because it's so subtle, and the closer you get the harder it is to see."

BARRIE So I think that when you look at the shroud itself, and you realize the subtlety of what's there, why would an artist even conceive of doing something like this when we have literally scores of replicas made of the Shroud of Turin by artists, professional artists, who are allowed to view the shroud itself and then paint their replica, and no-one has even come close. They're cartoon-like in comparison to the subtleties and the detail in the image of the man on the shroud. And yon no it's funny how sometimes the skeptics will say, "Well yon no the shroud is too perfect, therefore it must be a fake!" Well what's interesting about that is, if the shroud were less perfect, meaning the science of the shroud were less perfect, they would say well it's not perfect so it must be a fake. So there's absolutely no way apparently to please the skeptics who will forever look at the Shroud of Turin and say it's a fake, it's a medieval hoax. And so in the end, I think maybe the most important thing about the shroud is, it's an enigma that continues to baffle us in certain areas. You get the chemistry right and the physics isn't right, you get the physics right and the chemistry seems wrong. It seems as if it defies us. And perhaps it's meant to do so. Perhaps the real value of the shroud is in making us think about it. Is it real? And if it is, what does it mean? And so in the end, I think each one of us has to search in our own hearts, to look at the shroud, and study it, and study its image, and then we have to decide in our own hearts: What does this really mean? I don't think it's something that can be done externally, I think it's something that each of us must do in our own hearts. And I think that that may be the only place we'll ever find the answer to the Shroud of Turin.

THE GOSPEL OF JOHN tell us

JESUS said: If you remain in me and my words remain in you, then you will ask for anything you wish, and you shall have it. My father’s glory is shown by your bearing much fruit, and in this way you become my disciples. I love you just as the father loves me. Remain in my love. If you obey my commands you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my father’s commands and remain in his love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be complete. My commandment is this - love one another, just as I love you. The greatest love you can have for your
friends is to give your life for them, and you are my friends, if you do what I command you. I do not call you servants any longer, because servants do not know what their master is doing. Instead I call you friends, because I have told you everything that I head from my father. You did not choose me, I chose you, and appointed you to go and bear much fruit. The kind of fruit that endures. And so the father will give you whatever you ask of him in my name. This, then, is what I command you. Love one another.





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PLEASE PRAY
Lord Jesus, you died that I might live forever in your kingdom of peace and righteousness. Strengthen my faith that I may know the power of your resurrection and live in the hope of seeing you face to face for ever. Amen.

Please do not be deceived. God has persevered the Turin Shroud to prove to you his word is true and because he loves the world. ‘For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life’ - John 3:16. This is proof of God's desire to save you by you believing in Jesus Christ.






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Whether you are an atheist or a agnostic, no matter what colour or race you are; by believing in the Shroud it will prove to you Jesus Christ was indeed crucified, just as the Four Gospels say. You can find true faith in Jesus Christ.

AS IT IS FAITH IN HIM WHICH CAN CHANGE YOUR NEXT LIFE TO COME.



If you would like to know Jesus please watch this video above to Surrender Your Heart To God This will be the best decision you have ever made in your life.

Please leave your comments at the bottom of this page as they mean a lot. After reading this article - WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE? Is the Shroud a fake or genuine? Has the shroud proved to you Jesus was crucified? Has the shroud changed your mind from being an atheist or an agnostic? Has the Shroud proved to you the Gospels are TRUE? Has the Shroud helped you to find true faith in Jesus Christ? If you are a believer has the Shroud strengthened your faith in Jesus? Do you believe the Shroud is a tool that God has supplied to prove his word is true? Do you believe believers should use it to prove God’s word is true?





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THE EVIDENCE OF THE SHROUD

"Unwrapping the Shroud: New Evidence to be Rebroadcast on the Discovery Channel
The Discovery Channel will be broadcasting “Unwrapping the Shroud: New Evidence”


The Discovery Channel will be rebroadcasting “Unwrapping the Shroud: New Evidence” on Sunday February 1 at 9 p.m. EST and again 4 hours later at 1 a.m. (Check your local listings). It will be broadcast on Discovery’s regular and HD channels. This Shroud of Turin documentary was first shown in December and received numerous positive reviews. Part of it was recorded at Ohio State University during a conference of about 100 scientists, historians and other researchers last August. Discovery is featuring the broadcast on their home page. The documentary clearly explains why the previous carbon dating has been shown to be invalid by peer-reviewed scientific studies including the work of Raymond Roger and subsequently a team of scientists at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. If you have wondered about the latest evidence concerning the shroud, this is an excellent production. Even if you are skeptical, it will help explain why many people believe it is genuine or are at least open to the possibility that it is.

PRESS RELEASE: Los Alamos National Laboratory team of scientists prove carbon 14 dating of the Shroud of Turin wrong

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Analogies between the TS Man and Christ, from the Old and the New Testament:

"And no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah." (Mat 16:4).
"And all flesh shall see the salvation of God." (Luk 3:6).
"And I am with you always, even to the end of the age " (Mat 28:20).


The TS [Shroud of Turin] shows a sign promised by Jesus: like Jonah "who remained for three days in the stomach of the big fish", the Man of the TS [Shroud of Turin] remained for three days inside the sepulcher (Rodante 1987).

"A woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table."
(Mat 26:7); "When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial." (Mat 26:12).


Less than 48 hours before his crucifixion, the hair of Jesus was anointed with a very valuable oil and this fact must be considered for an hypothesis about the TS [Shroud of Turin] image formation (Scheuermann 1984).

"Then Pilate took Jesus and scourged Him." (Joh 19:1).
"I offered my back to those who beat Me, /my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; /I did not hide my face /from mocking and spitting" (Isa 50:6).


The whole body of the MTS is cruelly scourged, except for the breast where, hitting, one could cause death. The scourging was given like punishment apart, more abundant (120 strokes) than the normal (39 strokes) as a prelude to crucifixion (Zaninotto 1984).

"Then they struck Him on the head with a reed and spat on Him" (Mar 15:19).
"And they struck Him with their hands" (Joh 19:3).


The TS [Shroud of Turin] Man was hit on his face: for instance various tumefactions and the breakage of the nasal septum are evident (Fanti and Marinelli 1998).

"And the soldiers twisted a crown of thorns and put it on His head" (Joh 19:2).
"When they had twisted a crown of thorns, they put it on His head" (Mat 27:29 etc).


The TS [Shroud of Turin] Man was crowned with thorns. The head presents many wounds caused by sharp bodies (Fanti and Marinelli 1998).
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Challenged observations: Body Image:

The chiaroscuro effect is caused by a different number of yellowed fibers per unit of surface, so that this is an image with ‘areal’ density (Moran 2002, Fanti and Marinelli 2003).

Body image characteristics can be referred to the hypothesized effect of a man became mechanically transparent that radiated a burst of energy (Jackson 1977, 1984, 1990).

The TS [Shroud of Turin] face shows a sad but majestic serenity (Moroni 1997).
IMAGE FORMATION HYPOTHESES, THEORIES, AND FINDINGS*

* Note on Hypotheses, Theories and the Scienctific Method

This page is provided to give details on image formation hypotheses/theories and findings which determine the likelihood that the various theories/hypotheses are correct. Before one analyzes the formation hypotheses/theories it is important to consider the CHARACTERISICS OF THE IMAGE THAT A THEORY MUST SATISFY ***

Image hyppotheses/theories tend to fall into only a few categories:

1) THE IMAGE IS SIMPLY A PAINTING... Different techniques have been proposed, none of them satisfy the characteristics of the body image, but there are still many who think this true. Closer examination.

2) THE IMAGE IS DUE TO A BAS-RELIEF (hot or covered with dust)... As no gnomonic distortions are visible in particular in correspondence of Face, some researcher have supposed the use of a bas-relief to obtain the image, but many facts are against these hypotheses.

3) CONTACT IMAGE... This hypothesis is contradicted by some facts as the presence of image in non-contact areas (for example the zone between cheeks and nose) and the partial lack of characteristic distortion that contact images have.

4) THE IMAGE IS VAPOR MEDIATED... Many scientists have supposed that the body image formed by the action of the gases correlated to sources related to the state of the body, either bodily fluids or gases associated with the early breakdown of cellular systems in the hours shortly after death.

5) THE IMAGE IS A MEDIEVAL PHOTOGRAPHY... Some scientist suppposes that the body image formation was due to a proto-photography made by a genius in the Middle Age. Even if the proposed technique is interesting, it is not able to satisfy many characteristics of the Shroud image as, for example, the distortions of calves and the image color at linen fiber level.

6) MIXED MECHANISMS... Some scientist suppposes that the body image formation was due to the combination of more than one mechanism such as that of the contact image combined with that of the vapor mediated image.

7) THE IMAGE IS DUE TO A SOURCE OF ENERGY (natural or supernatural)... As the image is a non-contact image, we must refer to a source of energy as the cause of the body image.

NOTE If only one fact detected on the Shroud is not in agreement with a particular hypothesis, that hypothesis must be discharged. Currently there is no known mechanism that duplicates all the the microscopic and macroscopic characteristics evidenced in the Shroud of Turin. The image formation mechanism is still unknown. If anyone has a hypothesis to propose, he must compile the following scheme.

PROFESSOR: I think you should be more explicit in the conclusion.
RESEARCHER: Here is the IMPOSSIBLE RESULT![X=2·X·X; X≠0 and X≠0.5]

Figure captions:**
1) E. Craig's reproduction of face
2) J. Nickell's reproduction of face
3) Volckringer's leaf from an herbarium
4) Image of hand obtained by R. Rogers
5) Proto-photography obtained by N. Allen
6) Neal's image of a pig leg
7) Image of hands obtained by radiation (A. Accetta).

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CARBON 14 DATING AND RELATED MATTERS
How the Carbon Dating Went Wrong The protocol agreed upon for the carbon dating was arrived at in late September and early October in 1986 in Turin. William Meacham was a participant and gives this account:

The first serious error in planning for the C-14 dating was made by STURP. In contrast to the other excellent science that this group did on the Shroud, their approach to C-14 was poor. They proceeded to draw up a plan for the testing without having anyone in the group who had ever done C-14 dating in a professional context. Another serious error made by STURP was not to include a textile conservator in the group. When a major rift occurred with the directors of the C-14 labs, STURP's lack of knowledge of the normal dating procedures and their lack of a textile expert led to their ultimate exclusion from the dating operation. As the principal researchers on the object, their role should have been to take the samples, submit them to the lab, interpret and publish the results.

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The Journal News - October 11, 2005 Ex-Rockland medical examiner writes book on famous cases.
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The expertise of the forensic pathologist is essential in both criminal and civil proceedings regarding time of death, pain and suffering, bullet trajectories, wounds, determining pre-mortem versus postmortem wounds, post-mortem movement of a body from another location, instrument type consistent with a particular injury as well as a multitude of other issues.
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No One Can Explain Shroud of Turin Pictures of Jesus
I must admit, with some embarrassment, that until a few years ago I knew nothing about the Shroud of Turin. And when I first did read about it, while on a flight to Miami, I laughed out loud, something I rarely do alone in the company of strangers.

How ridiculous, I remember thinking. How can anyone think the Shroud of Turin is real: the actual burial shroud of Jesus? The fact that the Shroud of Turin has an image on it, believed to be a picture of Christ, made it seem beyond preposterous.

I was reading Desire of the Everlasting Hills, Thomas Cahill’s book about the apostolic era. Having enjoyed Cahill’s previous best seller, The Gifts of the Jews, I thought I would enjoy his newest book. And I was enjoying it. Suddenly, with no logical reason that I could see, Cahill introduced the Shroud of Turin. It might have been a treasure of the early church, he thought. That is when I laughed -- out loud.
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The Shroud of Turin: Facts and Fiction
Shroud of Turin Carbon Dating Biggest Radiocarbon Mistake Ever

In 2008, we can now say the carbon dating in 1988 is invalid.
In scientific terms, we don't know the age of the cloth. See: SHROUD OF TURIN FOR JOURNALISTS
In early 2005 The American Chemical Society website quoted Raymond Rogers, a Fellow of the Los Alamos National Laboratory: "The observations do not prove how the image was formed or the 'authenticity' of the Shroud. There could be a nearly infinite number of alternate hypotheses, and the search for new hypotheses should continue."
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Shroud of Turin Facts Check: More Facts
Primary Facts:


• Carbon 14 tests did not prove that the Turin Shroud was medieval.
• A Bioplastic Coating, formed by living, growing micro-organisms did not cause errors in C14 tests.
• The Fire in 1532 did not alter the C14 to C12 isotope ratios or introduce additional new carbon.
• A Second Face image has been discovered on the reverse side of the cloth.
• It is not a painting. Walter McCrone did not prove that Shroud was painted and Bishop Pierre d'Arcis' (1389) claim that an artist confessed is false.
• The Images are contained within a very thin coating of starch fractions and saccharides.
• The History of the Shroud of Turin does not just begin in Europe in 1357.
• Bloodstains on Shroud of Turin are real blood.
• Coin Images of 1st century Roman lepta may or may not have been identified over the eyes.
• Negative Images. The picture on the Shroud of Turin is a realistic, photographic-like negative image

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A must visit The Shroud of Turin Museum at Notre Dame just outside the Old City Jerusalem


Live interview Barrie M. Schwortz of Shroud.com. regarding the Shroud of Turin.


Sit down and fasten your seatbelts, as we ask Barrie the most controversial questions raised regarding the authenticity of the burial cloth, believed by many to have a 3 D image of Jesus on the Shroud.

Did the Turin Shroud play a part in the most important event in the history of Mankind?

Were there two cloths discovered that were used to bury Jesus? (As stated in the Bible.)

Why does the Bible state that Jesus was wrapped with strips of linen and not one cloth, like the Shroud we have today?

In the books of Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus 26, God states-" Ye shall make you no idols nor graven images". So why would God break his own laws?

Isaiah 50:6 states:
I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.(NIV) (©1984)
Does the Shroud of Turin show any facial hair missing?

Why do so many Christians debunk the Shroud because it is in the hands of the Roman Catholics?

Why would Barrie go against his own faith, to prove that the Shroud is the genuine burial cloth of Jesus Christ ?

Join us as we find out.

Live interview Barrie M. Schwortz of Shroud.com. regarding the Shroud of Turin.
DO NOT BE DECEIVED. 'Seek and you will find' said Jesus.



We Simon and Emma Brown are proud to support the fact that the Turin Shroud is genuine, is the burial cloth of Jesus preserved by God as evidence of His time on earth, the scourging, crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ (YESHUA) the promised Messiah. preserved so that future generations may study it and come to believe and be saved.
And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, Matthew 27:59 King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
We believe this because God, knowing man's rebellious hearts would refuse to believe that he sent his son to become our Great High Priest and pay the ultimate and perfect sacrifice and replace animal sacrifices and became the Lamb of God "who takes away the sin of the world'.
We also know this is a fact that most of the world do not believe Jesus is Christ (YESHUA) the promised Messiah, just as stated in this verse; 2 Corinthians 4 V 4, "The God of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
We believe the Shroud should not be worshipped in any way, but can be used to strengthen and confirm faith in a tangible physical way, and help bring others who require proof, to come to a knowledge of Gods saving grace. As Christians we worship nothing but Jesus Christ Yeshua, which is the essence of our faith in our hearts and of each believer is a trusting, abiding faith in Jesus Christ only. Amen.






















NEW DISCOVERY!! Mark Guscin, B.A. M. Phil., discovers Latin and ancient Greek letter's on the Shroud of Turin that reads in code: Nazarene, Tiberius and Jesus.

[color=0000CC]DISCOVERY! Ancient languages translator and historian Mark Guscin, B.A. M.Phil., discovers Latin and ancient Greek letters on the Shroud of Turin reading the name Nazarene and Tiberius, who was a roman empara when Jesus was crucified, including words saying ''TO DEATH''.

Mark Guscin also connected with professor Shimon Gibson, PhD a British-born archaeologist living in Israel who wrote a book called "In The Final Days of Jesus." He accounts visiting a tomb he discovered in 2000 that is over 2000 years old with similar Greek-ancient inscriptions confirming the marks on the Shroud of Turin could well be genuine. Mark then continues to discover two letters in Greek above the head of the Shroud. With careful examination he discovers the name of Jesus shortened into two letters, ''IS,'' which was a Greek abbreviation for the name of Jesus.

A scientist then tries to produce a copy of the original Shroud with the latest technology, but fails miserably.

Mark then visits a mechanical engineer who examines the Shroud of Turin and states that IT IS NOT A PAINTING! That this 3D image of the shroud CAN ONLY BE EXPLAINED WITH AN ELECTRIC DISCHARGE, which created the hologram.



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Posted: 7/3/2015 13:13  Updated: 7/3/2015 13:14
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I believe that Jesus was resurrected in the tomb and that he left this his burial cloth for the children of the future, knowing that in this modern day that we live in would come to pass, and that mankind, would have the knowledge and understanding to decipher the reason and the purpose for the cloth.

It was to remain as proof of his life, and as proof of his crucifixion and as proof of his death and proof of his miraculous heavenly powers, that created the image on the cloth at the very instant of his resurrection, thus proving that he was not just a mere man as many have said, named Jesus who was enacting out the scriptures, but that he was in fact the Christ, the savoir of mankind, who gave his life to save us from our sins.

He was in fact the Son Of God, and that we may know by our understanding, shown to us by the shroud that he is still with us. Even to this day he is still our shepherd, caring and guiding us, and those who know his voice shall hear him and come to him, for the sheep know the voice of their shepherd and shall trust and come to him.
I never fail to be amazed by all these nuggets of information that come from god, in this our modern 21st century age.

It was told that Jesus said to his disciples, when he came to them in the upper room after he had risen, and when he invited Thomas to examine the holes in his wrists and in his side " You believe” Jesus said ,“ because you see, How great are those who will believe without seeing".

This shroud was meant to be found and preserved right from the day of Jesus crucifixion; it was I believe all Gods plan. This is god’s way of letting us, you and I see, here in the 21st century, so that we also may be witnesses to his life and to his death. And so by seeing the powerful miracle of the shroud, we should understand the powers he had at his disposal to do the miracles’ in his lifetime. For this shroud proves beyond all logical reasoning that he was not just a man, but a man with powers beyond our limited understanding, that he was and that he is the Christ, the son of god.

No we ourselves were not there at the crucifixion of Jesus, to see and witness and so have the foundation to believe, but my friends, we are here today 2000 years later and we are able to witness the Miracle of the shroud of Turin.

It has now been well established in scientific circles that it is almost miraculous the way the image has been produced on the cloth.
Only a brilliant burst of radioactive light from something equal to a nuclear explosion would be able get anything remotely similar to the shrouds image, as was shown by the shadow of a man whose shadow was burnt into the wooden planking of a hut at Hiroshima.

Anything that powerful and intense must have come from god; even our own modern day scientists are left scratching their heads.

I find it impossible that any averagely educated man or woman cannot understand, after due care to the facts relating to the shroud of Turin and comparing them with Jesus who was crucified 2000 years ago. The two go hand in hand; everything written in the bible in the New Testament, and the scriptures of the Old Testament has been proven true.
I think that if we have eyes to see and ears to hear there is as much proof for us, that God is with us now, here today as there was back 2000 years ago when the disciples witnessed the miracles of Jesus healing the sick, giving sight to the blind and raising the dead.

The Shroud of Turin is a miracle in itself, in its own right. So children of little faith, how many miracles do you need to see to believe?
"Let he who has eyes see and let he who has ears hear and let he who has a heart perceive and understand"

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Posted: 28/9/2014 11:57  Updated: 28/9/2014 12:01
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Genuine or not that's the question , we have books by Ian Wilson and Simon Brown , Grant Jeffries and others on the shroud

Now the question as to the dating of it which showed it was medieval by carbon 14 , the sample tested was NOT from the Shroud but was duplicated so in other words it was not the real McCoy
But why go to great lengths to show it to be fake answer they were afraid ( church ) as to what the Shroud see the video shroud forgery

One who witnessed the sample being taken from the shroud says for some unknown reason the recording video was turned of for no apparent reason, which later explanation was given was that the lab would not know that it come from the shroud ( 3 pieces)
They failed to shed the clothes which showed they were not of the shroud on weight and texture,now that's taken care of

Next on the shroud are the words Jesus the Nazarene which would not have been used in the 1300 and would have been called blasphemous this is the time when it first showed up , but there is evidence of it being much earlier through documentation of pictures

The next word is sentenced to death
( a video clip entitled why the Vatican believes in the shroud is quite compelling ) there are old ancient writings on the cloth which is shown in the video

After reading and watching videos and other sources, the only conclusion I have come up with is that

THE SHROUD OF TURN ( yes Simon ) is

100% kosher and is GENUINE and this is what others will come up with if examining the evidence with an open mind and not a closed mind

Another book which is very good is called
The Truth about the Turin Shroud by Robert K Wilcox as the evidence given as to how the image was made on the shroud through toxins released by the body through extreme pain and hence ammonia .

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Dear Simon and Emma I understand completely what frustrations you are having with Christians concerning the shroud of Turin. I too have had comments saying the should is idol worship and should not be commented on in Christian discussions.

What they fail to see is that the shroud is ( I Believe ) proof of the resurrection left behind by Christ for us to see in the future, in the days closer to the end of time. It is there for us all to see and witness. As Christ said only the wise shall be saved. Those that have eyes let them see and those that have ears let them hear and their hearts perceive.

Many do not understand that the shroud is a purposefully left message from god, a bridge through time. Two thousand years ago Jesus said to Thomas "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

The whole foundation of Christ's message was set in stone by his death and resurrection, without the resurrection there would today be no Christianity, he had to die to be raised, he had to be raised to prove that he was the lamb of God, the messiah.

The cloth was left behind for our eyes to see the truth of his resurrection. As all scientists of today are baffled as to how the image came about, it should be obvious to all there is only one possible explanation, that is is in fact a physical record of the resurrection of the son of God, The Christ.

I understand Simon what you feel, it is frustrating at times, but many shall be blinded to the truth and shall not see.

You are truly a modern day John the Baptist, spreading the word of God trying to open up the eyes, ears and hearts of the masses, but only 1 tenth will hear your words, even among the Christians.

God Bless you and Emma for all your work, I know in my heart that God sees all that you do in his name.

Take care my dear friend and God Bless you both.

Steve & Coral

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Posted: 10/3/2014 8:11  Updated: 10/3/2014 9:13
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Simon, you are just like me, you really get into this stuff. I love it. Good commentary. I am sure the Lord took note of it.
We know for a forensic fact the person placed in the Shroud was brutally scourged and crucified and was dead. We know that this form of punishment was abolished in 337AD. We know that this body was separated from the cloth BEFORE DECOMPOSITION SET IT. Meaning within less than 72 hours after being placed in the Shroud the body was separated from the linen and left the most bizarre image Science has ever studied. 3D INFO ENCODED INTO THE LINEN, X RAY QUALITY, MIRROR HORIZONTAL EFFECT, HIGHLY PIXELATED IMAGE.
We know for a forensic fact that a human body will not leave behind such a image on a linen cloth without some kind of extraordinary event making it possible.
These are only a few established facts in which we can begin to draw some conclusions from.
1. Person in Shroud was born at the very latest in the 3rd century.
2. Person was exposed to a powerful, unknown source light & electromagnetic energy when separated from the cloth.
3. The Image strongly suggests the light source comes from the person in the Shroud, as if every pore of the person in The Shroud fired off laser beams and the body was electrified, a advanced form of Kirlian photography.

It can be proved beyond any reasonable doubt, the soil found on the foot area of the man in the shroud matches soil samples that were taken from tombs and area outside the Damascus Gate. Of course The Garden Tomb is in that area. What people are not realizing is that these soil samples were examined using High-resolution Ion Mass Spectroscopy where one can see the specific amounts of strontium, iron or absence of what would normally be present in the soil/calcite such as lead.
This type of evidence is not unlike having a fingerprint to match to another. These samples matched up! IT IS ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE. (LITERALLY)
NONE of the other soil/calcite samples taken from various locations in and outside of Jerusalem matched the soil on the Shroud. NONE.
SO WE KNOW THE MAN IN THE SHROUD WAS AT OR NEAR THE DAMASCUS GATE AND WAS PLACED IN A TOMB NEAR THE DAMASCUS GATE. THE GARDEN TOMB IS NEAR THE DAMASCUS GATE.
(There are also mineral deposits on the back of The Shroud consistent with what would be found in a tomb in Israel)
WE CAN ALSO CONCLUDE BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT THE MAN IN THE SHROUD MADE VIOLENT CONTACT WITH THE SOIL. ( The rare soil/calcite was also observed on the tip of the nose) And of course the nose on the man in the shroud is abraded, as would occur from a fall. There are also abrasion and compression in the knees, especially on one side.
(Where the knee struck the ground)
FORENSIC EVIDENCE AND SCRIPTURE MATCH.
DRAW YOUR OWN LOGICAL CONCLUSION.

Hey Simon how is it going in the UK?
We could hand over the case file with all the forensic evidence on the Shroud and Head cloth to any forensic detective in the world and they will ALL say the same thing. The person who's head made contact with the Sudarium in Spain is the same person who head made contact with the Shroud that is in Turin Italy.
IT IS THE SAME PERSON. There is no reasonable doubt,

Whether that forensic detective is in the UK or China, in the US or Italy, whether they are black or white, green skin or yellow,
they will ALL AGREE THE PERSON WHO'S HEAD MADE CONTACT WITH THE SUDARIUM/ HEAD CLOTH IS THE SAME PERSON WHO'S HEAD MADE CONTACT WITH THE SHROUD.

THAT IS HOW YOU MAKE A POSITIVE ID ON A MYSTERY PERSON.
BY CONDUCTING A THOROUGH FORENSIC INVESTIGATION.

We know for a historical fact the head cloth existed in 6th century. IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATE THE CARBON DATING AS BEING ACCURATE.
We know the head cloth was officially authenticated as belonging to Jesus many centuries ago. Official documentation, physical evidence that still exists in Spain at the Cathedral of San Salvador, we can go and look at it, examine it,
There is not 1 museum in the world that would not immediately put in on display and call it "The Sacred Sudarium of Our Lord Jesus" without doubt or question.
LOGICAL CONCLUSION; THE SHROUD BELONGS TO JESUS.

The head cloth authenticated, authenticates the Shroud at the same time, whether someone likes that or not, that is the way that it is.
In the same way the Sun rises in the east and sets in the West, The Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus and physical evidence of his resurrection.

ADD THE FORENSIC FACT THAT THE PERSON WHO WAS WRAPPED IN THE SHROUD WAS SEPARATED FROM IT LESS THAN 72 HOURS AFTER BEING PLACED IN IT. THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF PLACE.
AN EXTREMELY BIZARRE FACT IN THE CASE FILE THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT SERIOUSLY,
WHY DID THE BODY GET SEPARATED FROM THE CLOTH IN LESS THAN 3 DAYS? WHO WOULD WANT TO HANDLE A BLOODY, MUTILATED BODY?!

IF THE BODY WAS STOLEN THERE WOULD BE ONLY BLOOD LEFT BEHIND ON THE CLOTH, NO IMAGE.

BUT THERE IS A IMAGE THAT NO ONE CAN REPLICATE OR EXPLAIN.

WE HAVE A ROLE MODEL TO DUPLICATE IT AND WE CAN STILL CANNOT DUPLICATE IT.
EVIDENCE SUPPORTS A SUPERNATURAL EVENT, A RESURRECTION.
IT IS BLATANT AND OBVIOUS.

PEACE TO ALL THAT HAVE THIS POST.
MAY THAT SAME SPIRIT THAT RESURRECTED JESUS,
ALSO BE WITH YOU. AMEN
GoodShepard007

But of course that could not be Jesus.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 8:02  Updated: 10/3/2014 9:12
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I believe that Jesus was resurrected in the tomb and that he left this his burial cloth for the children of the future, knowing that in this modern day that we live in would come to pass, and that mankind, would have the knowledge and understanding to decipher the reason and the purpose for the cloth.
It was to remain as proof of his life, and as proof of his crucifixion and as proof of his death and proof of his miraculous heavenly powers, that created the image on the cloth at the very instant of his resurrection, thus proving that he was not just a mere man as many have said, named Jesus who was enacting out the scriptures, but that he was in fact the Christ, the savoir of mankind, who gave his life to save us from our sins.
He was in fact the Son Of God, and that we may know by our understanding, shown to us by the shroud that he is still with us. Even to this day he is still our shepherd, caring and guiding us, and those who know his voice shall hear him and come to him, for the sheep know the voice of their shepherd and shall trust and come to him.
I never fail to be amazed by all these nuggets of information that come from god, in this our modern 21st century age.
It was told that Jesus said to his disciples, when he came to them in the upper room after he had risen, and when he invited Thomas to examine the holes in his wrists and in his side " You believe” Jesus said ,“ because you see, How great are those who will believe without seeing".
This shroud was meant to be found and preserved right from the day of Jesus crucifixion; it was I believe all Gods plan. This is god’s way of letting us, you and I see, here in the 21st century, so that we also may be witnesses to his life and to his death. And so by seeing the powerful miracle of the shroud, we should understand the powers he had at his disposal to do the miracles’ in his lifetime. For this shroud proves beyond all logical reasoning that he was not just a man, but a man with powers beyond our limited understanding, that he was and that he is the Christ, the son of god.
No we ourselves were not there at the crucifixion of Jesus, to see and witness and so have the foundation to believe, but my friends, we are here today 2000 years later and we are able to witness the Miracle of the shroud of Turin.
It has now been well established in scientific circles that it is almost miraculous the way the image has been produced on the cloth.
Only a brilliant burst of radioactive light from something equal to a nuclear explosion would be able get anything remotely similar to the shrouds image, as was shown by the shadow of a man whose shadow was burnt into the wooden planking of a hut at Hiroshima.
Anything that powerful and intense must have come from god; even our own modern day scientists are left scratching their heads.
I find it impossible that any averagely educated man or woman cannot understand, after due care to the facts relating to the shroud of Turin and comparing them with Jesus who was crucified 2000 years ago. The two go hand in hand; everything written in the bible in the New Testament, and the scriptures of the Old Testament has been proven true.
I think that if we have eyes to see and ears to hear there is as much proof for us, that God is with us now, here today as there was back 2000 years ago when the disciples witnessed the miracles of Jesus healing the sick, giving sight to the blind and raising the dead.

The Shroud of Turin is a miracle in itself, in its own right. So children of little faith, how many miracles do you need to see to believe?
"Let he who has eyes see and let he who has ears hear and let he who has a heart perceive and understand"

Jesus has left us all a secret message, a code if you like to speak to all men and women who have eyes to see and ears to hear.
The message is encoded in the shroud of Turin. It is there for us all to see. It will not be here for ever my friends, as it is fading as we speak and this is why it is only brought out on few occasions so as to protect it from the atmosphere and ultra violate light.
Again we see Jesus (Yeshua) telling us, “Walk in the light, while you have the light”. The shroud is the light...
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Posted: 10/3/2014 7:51  Updated: 10/3/2014 9:11
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I had a few months ago left Christianity because I could not reconcile contradictions in Bible, Science, certain moral teachings, early Christian blatant forgeries, among other reasons. In the last weeks, though, thanks largely to the Internet, a gift from on High, I have discovered hidden codes in the Bible, of general and scientific interest as well as the revelation in Isaiah 46 of "Jesus Saviour" in the form of a Cross. Furthermore, I have spent days researching the Shroud of Turin showing that the chance that this is NOT Jesus Christ is 1 in 282 billion ! His Blood is clearly distinguished between that spilt while living and post-mortem. The Light and great force radiated from within His Body and is not on the electro-magnetic spectrum. His Chromosomes are in accordance with a Virgin Birth. Many, many other relevant, fascinating and scientific facts. He is the Truth, the Way and the Life. Forget New Age, mediaeval manuscripts or Eastern teaching that He never died on the Cross. Forget ETs lifting Him. His Radiance came from within ! Worry not about whether you understand the Scriptures to any level or even agree with Christians on all matters. Trust in Jesus Christ alone ! Truly fully God and fully man. Thank God that He has given us, as the above clip so simply and eloquently puts it, His Calling-Card ! May this truth flood the earth. Best wishes to all and God bless.
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Posted: 26/3/2013 10:40  Updated: 26/3/2013 16:09
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Hi Simon,

The christian community appreciates your work on bringing out evidence of judgement on sodom and gormorrah . You and your family are to be commended for that. There is however an issue of concern. How you do read the commandment of Yahweh on not making any images of any creature in heaven including image of God or his son ? Do you think a All knowing Yahweh who raised Jesus from the dead will unknowingly imprint radiation markings on linen so that people can mock Yahweh as a God of image maker .

I understand people can use occult powers to create such supernatural artefects to fool scientists. You probably aware the knights templars were occultists who piss on the bible and practice sodomy. Why would a omipotent God create an image of himself and then fall it to the hands of occultist 'knights' . BTW these knights were persecuted by the catholic church for their satanic rituals and they went underground and formed the illuminati with zionists 300 yrs ago.

No doubt science evidence can be manufactured supernaturally by such as Pharoah's magicians to even impress Nasa technician. The second commandment issue is Jesus long hair?? Contrary to Paul's commandment of men must keep short hair. Further in rome men wore short hair.

When people of the world look at christians they will judge our appearance and our antics to see if we are the true light of Christ. The word 'witness' unto Christ in Greek means 'martyr'. This is why early christians willing to burn at the stakes as they refuse to compromise. Or else God will have to apologise to these martyrs when male christians cannot even obey to keep short hair.

Also did you find any large amounts of herbs and ointments of aloes and Myrrh on the linen cloth brought by Joseph and Nicodemus. Jesus was covered and smeared with TONS of these herbs ointment and there should be massive stains on the linen cloth. I was informed by a researcher ....
STURP team NEVER found any oil, spices, aloes, myrrh or anything like that, even if they search very hard to see if there was still some traces of those kind of products.

In addition the real accurate image of Jesus can be found at the British Museum a rare coin minted by christian emperor Justinan with Christ with wooly hair on one side with inscription 'King of Kings' and the Justinan face on other side as emperor. The Cambridge Encyclopedia wrote: "Whatever the fact, this coin places beyond dispute the belief that Jesus Christ was a Negro.

Here is an actual painting of Jesus Christ 'Last Supper' inside the catacomb www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4S1sad8Yg

Hope this email is helpful to your ministry ...and God Bless.

KInd Regards
Jeremiah
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Posted: 15/9/2012 14:29  Updated: 13/11/2012 19:35
 1 Corinthians 11:14 Paul tells us long hair is unnatural and degrading for a man.
They guessed at the length of Jesus' hair on the basis of the reference by Paul that "If a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him." They speculate that Paul would not have written this if Jesus Christ had had long hair. However, that might not be a valid assumption. Jesus was referred to often in the Bible as "Rabbi." If he was an actual rabbi, he would definitely have followed Jewish law which forbade men from clipping the sides of their hair and their beards. Besides, there is no indication in the Bible that Paul actually met or saw Jesus.
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Posted: 15/9/2012 14:20  Updated: 13/11/2012 19:33
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Did Jesus have long hair?
Aren't all images of Jesus false? In 1 Corinthians 11:14 Paul tells us long hair is unnatural and degrading for a man. All the pictures of Jesus show him with long hair, so they must be false images.
The pictures we have of Christ do not derive from any physical description we have of him in the Bible, because there is none. The basic image comes from a long artistic and iconographic tradition. Nothing in that facial image contradicts the Bible.

Part of the problem here is how long is long? We know from archeological materials, such as Middle Eastern carvings and Egyptian tomb paintings, that Jews wore what we would consider today as long hair and beards. Hair reached down to the shoulders on men. Women wore hair down to the waist.
Paul was telling Corinthian men that wearing hair down to the waist as women did would be effeminate and unnatural. You assume the length and cut of a Jewish man's hair in the first century was as it is for most men today, but that's a misconception which results in your misinterpretation of Paul's epistle.
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Posted: 7/7/2011 6:07  Updated: 7/7/2011 8:45
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The standard test on any subject is to line it up with the Bible. If the Shroud of Turin is supported by Biblical teaching, it may well be sound. If the Shroud of Turin is not supported by Biblical teaching, it is probably not sound. Well The Shroud of Turing is forensically accurate to the four Gospels PRECISELY.

With not one single errror.

This advice in itself is based on Biblical doctrine,

SHAME ON THE MANY BELIEVERS WHO CONDEMN THE MOST IMPORTANT EVIDENCE EVER FOUND AND RESERVED IN HUMAN HISTORY.
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Posted: 22/6/2011 11:46  Updated: 23/6/2011 3:03
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Hello Simon,

You have to do the same for the ventral image, as there are nearly as many scourge marks on the front of the body as the back. If the scourger standing behind the victim takes a small step closer to the scourgee, the thongs of the whip will wrap around and hit the front of the body as well. Experts who have studied the Shroud estimate around 120 scourge marks on the body, front AND back, consistent with "40 lashes" with a 3 thonged whip. Also, some scourge marks were most likely obliterated in the shoulder areas by the 1532 fire.

I hope this is helpful.

Have a great weekend.

Barrie


At 07:26 AM 12/10/2010, you wrote:

Hello Barrie do you know how many lashes Jesus received by any chance, as I am adding in the blood stains on the back of the shroud on top of the blood stains on the cloth.

I have counted 38 lashes. Can you shed any light on this please Barrie?
Simon
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Posted: 26/5/2011 18:11  Updated: 3/1/2013 10:46
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Thank you for your comments on the Shroud, your first two questions are very easy to answer and also are good important ones.
1. Your first question you stated you did not believe in the Shroud because Johns Gospel states when Peter and John ran in to the Tomb they saw the strips lying there. Which proves the Shroud is a fake because the shroud is one large cloth. but the bible states it was strips.

Did you know the word strips is not in the original Greek language, there is no such word as strips used in any of the four Gospels in the original Greek language. All three Gospels except Johns gospel state cloth how ever Johns gospel states cloths not strips.

The gospel's clearly talks about, and teaches us of the two clothes that Joseph of Arimathaea used for the burial of Jesus that existed, which can only be, The Shroud Of Turin. And The Sudarium of Oviedo, that still exists.

Shroud.
Greek to English.
And having taken it down, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth. Luke 23:53. Please note, ''A CLEAN LINEN CLOTH''

"And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth," Matthew 27:59 King James 2000 Bible (©2003)

Shroud & Sudarium.
Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, John 20:6. kj.

Sudarium
And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. John 20:7. KJ.

2. Question-The Sudarium cloth being the face cloth was not lying with the Shroud that was just the way they made it for the Hollywood film, it was separate on its own just as the Gospels say .
These are two major facts that point towards the Shroud being genuine and also remember scientist say it is impossible for any man to make a 3 D image on a single piece of cloth this is something only God can do..

Here is the original Greek language for the Gospel of John
And he stooping down, [and

looking in], saw the linen

clothes lying; yet went he not

in.

John 20:5

God Bless. SB
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Posted: 22/5/2011 15:01  Updated: 23/5/2011 4:54
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I have always believed that the shroud is a fake. The main reason for this is that it is stated in the Gospel of John as you include in this article;
"5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in.

6 Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there,

7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen.”

As you can read for yourself, they noticed "strips of linen cloth", not one full sheet, and the kicker here is that the part covering the head was separate as well, not lying with the rest. That in itself disqualifies the shroud.
I am not an expert on the origin of the shroud nor do I know much about it except what has been shown on TV which, whenever something Biblical is being shown, they always err from the Bible and try to discount anything of a supernatural origin, and explain it on scientific terms. I did not read your entire article here, perhaps I should have because you may have answered my question, but I just had to comment on this. Was it conveniently "discovered" by the Catholic Church? The Catholic Church promotes the false and fake site of Mt. Sinai. They conveniently found the "oldest" manuscripts of the New Testament; one in a trash can at the fake site of Mt. Sinai, and the other in the vaults and catacombs of the Vatican. (Known as the Sinaiticus and the Vaticanus from which all perversions of the Bible are being translated from today).
I have my doubts in spite of the impressive amount of work being done. It could just be some other crucified person.
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Posted: 4/5/2011 5:24  Updated: 4/5/2011 11:42
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HAVE SCIENTISTS PROVEN THAT THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS A MEDIEVAL FORGERY ?

Although many people say yes, historian C. Bernard Ruffin reveals recent scientific discoveries that indicate the controversial carbon 14 dating completed in 1988 may be inaccurate by as much as a thousand years !

Utilizing fascinating new analyses of the time honored relic, the author carefully and reverently looks at the facts surrounding the ancient cloth thought by man to be the burial Shroud of Christ.

In this new study, Ruffin presents evidence showing:

.Just what exactly dose the Shroud look like

.Why dose the Shroud fascinate both the theological and scientific communities ?

.Where has the Shroud been housed throughout the centuries?

.What studies have been done on the Shroud?

.What theory's have been presented on the nature and the origin of the Shroud?

In addition to the scientific evidence this compelling new study explains why crucifixion was the most horrific of all deaths and traces the history of the Shroud, including evidence that the disciples themselves may have kept the cloth hidden.

Examine the evidence and then decide for your self is THE SHROUD OF TURIN the burial cloth of Christ, or unprecedented forgery?

The author C.Bernard Ruffin is the author of several books including : Padre Pio:The True Story, Revised and Expanded; The Twelve:The Lives of the Apostles After Calvary;and The Life of Brother Andrew: The Miracle Worker of St. Joseph
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Posted: 3/5/2011 16:00  Updated: 4/5/2011 3:57
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The Shroud has been called "God's love letter in linen". According to scientists, it certainly is supernatural! BY Carole Bevan-Irby

The Shroud of Turin has been attacked, insulted, pursued, ignored, defied, humiliated, persecuted, investigated, and tried throughout its public lifetime. Sound familiar? We either believe in it...or we don't. Yet, even tried by fire on several occasions...the Shroud has survived and continued to mystify and mesmerize millions for centuries. First, we must remember that, even though the Shroud is in the possession of the Vatican...it is NOT exclusively for those of the Catholic faith. It belongs, as was intended, to ALL Christians. That is of extreme importance...just as the Old Testament must also be a part of Christian teaching and belief. The burial cloth of Jesus IS a part of our Scriptures...and played a role in the most awesome historical event in history...the Resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ. I, personally, am non-denominational...and follow only ONE Truth...ONE Church...God's Word. The evidence and proof of the Shroud's authenticity is out there...if one takes the time to read the books of authority, written by researchers after many years of study and scientific investigation. At least one researcher, an agnostic, was converted to Christianity as a result of his findings...which could not be disputed.

The scientific evidence speaks for itself and certainly matches the wounds to the weapons to the Word. Pollen, flower images, and other findings have, without doubt, placed the Shroud in Jerusalem, most likely in the 1st century. All circumstances on the cloth are unique only to those of Jesus' crucifixion. That, coupled with the Sudarium Christi (head cloth) matching the blood clotting and blood-type on the Shroud, I think it doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out (though some have tried!) ... that 1 + 1 = 2. GO TO THIS WEBSITE By Carole Bevan-Irby
http://www.carolebevanirby.com/home.php
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Posted: 3/5/2011 10:17  Updated: 4/5/2011 3:57
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By Dr Richard Kent
The Final Frontier Charitable Trust

We believe that the Image on the Shroud can be explained by the Bible, and an application of known laws of Theoretical Physics.
We believe that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is proved by the following:
We believe that the Image on the Shroud of Turin is fundamentally a scorch in photo-negative, caused by radiation, with the appearance of an X-ray, but with additional distance imaging properties.
We believe that the photo-negative Image on the Shroud of Turin was produced at the Resurrection by the emission of soft X-rays.
We believe that the Physics of the Resurrection was a phenomenon not dissimilar to the Physics of the Transfiguration, with the radiation of light as a major feature, as Jesus Christ assumed His Glorified Body on both occasions.
We believe that the soft X-rays were released at the Resurrection, caused by the intense radiation of light and subatomic particles, probably moving at the speed of light.
We believe that the intense emission of light and subatomic particles caused vaporisation of the molecules within the Shroud to the elements Nitrogen and Carbon.
We believe that the Nitrogen and Carbon were then converted to radioactive C-14, as happens every day in the atmosphere of Planet Earth.
We believe that the incorrect Carbon Dating of the Shroud (approximately 1325 A.D) is explained by an incorrect interpretation of the cause of the additional radioactive molecules of Carbon (C-14) present in the Shroud.
Additional C-14 is present in the Shroud of Turin, as demonstrated by the 1998 experiments on the Shroud.
We believe that rather than proving that the Shroud is dated 1325 A.D. approximately, it actually proves the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
As explained on our web site the additional radioactive C-14 molecules could be explained by either the Shroud being a 14th Century Shroud, or by the Shroud being a First Century Shroud which has been subjected to additional radiation.
As proved by Dr Accetta, the image on the Shroud was almost certainly caused by radiation.
Since there are 12 other scientific tests that indicate that the Shroud is a First Century Shroud, it does seem that the Shroud must have been subjected to radiation, causing the photo-negative Image.
The Image on the Shroud was therefore almost certainly caused by radiation released at the time of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The scientists who interpreted the findings of the 1988 Carbon dating tests on the Shroud clearly did not take into consideration the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, which released radiation, causing the photo-negative Image on the Shroud.
Read more click here http://www.finalfrontier.org.uk/index.php?main=13&sub=2&page=47
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Posted: 3/5/2011 9:49  Updated: 4/5/2011 3:57
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Computer graphic artists use new technology in an attempt to create a 3-D rendering of what Jesus may have looked like based on his probable burial cloth now known as the Shroud of Turin, Italy. http://youtu.be/xdmNd8LsYPY
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Posted: 3/5/2011 9:10  Updated: 4/5/2011 3:57
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THE COINS OF PONTIUS PILATE.

The face on the shroud was sent for analysis. The image obtained, new and now famous, distinctly revealed two circular protrusions on the eyelids and found the inprint of a coin in each eye-socket this indicated that it could be the coin minted in year 29.
PILATE'S COINS AND TURIN SHROUD
It all began at NASA in 1978. At this time researchers Jackson, Jumper and Stephenson wanted to test the capacities of their VP8 new computer, specially for three dimensional extrapolation, so they submitted the face on the shroud for analysis. The image obtained, now famous, distinctly revealed two circular protrusions on the eyelids. The experts immediately made a connection with an ancient custom which advocated the placing of coins on the eyes of the dead to keep them closed. Archaeological excavations have confirmed this tradition. Skeletons from the first and second century C.E. have been found with a coin in each eye-socket at Jericho and at En Boqeq.
Everything then happened very quickly. The following year Professor Francis Filas, a teacher at Loyola University of Chicago, made an enlargement of the image of the left eye and noticed a strange curved shape with traces of letters above it. Intrigued, he went to a ancient coins expert from Chicago, Michael Marx, who concluded that it was probably the image of Pilate's lituus coin. I have reproduced the relevant illustration so that anyone may form their own opinion on the matter.
In 1980, an electronic analysis performed in the Overland Park Laboratory in Texas confirmed not only the soundness of Professor Filas' findings, but also allowed the admission of evidence of another coin on the right eye, without however being able to identify why precise details were absent. Other researchers, Alan and Mary Wanger, took up the investigation in 1985, applying the technique of polarised light superimposition; they though they detected on the left eye coin the three ears of barley encircled with faint traces of letters: this indicated that it could be the coin minted in year 29.
What credibility may be given to these "discoveries" ? Like everything else touching on the Turin Shroud, each discovery, whether in favour of its authenticity or against, is immediately contested by supporters holding the opposite view. The thesis of PilateÕs coins on the eyes is neither more or less argued about than any other discovery or supposition concerning this shroud. READ MORE and WATCH VIDEO
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Posted: 29/4/2011 7:04  Updated: 30/4/2011 4:28
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May God bless you on this new film and let it be a true witness to those who do not believe in it that Jesus did rise from the grave and the shroud is true as was the cross

Ray
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Posted: 28/4/2011 5:14  Updated: 28/4/2011 9:42
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Hi As Christians one of our main focuses should be Romans 8 : 28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God.

Also the Creator , the God of Abraham , is a wise just God .
1 Corinthians 1:25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

It is very unlikely normal catholics who are nice people will be sent to Hell especially if they really do believe in the Father and love the Father and love one another ( Matthew 22:36-40 ).

I think your priority Simon is not to worry too much about what people think and please do not think too much about any negative consequences from the evidence being made available. It is more important people like yourself who are able to get evidence for the Bible to people get on with doing so . The good your evidence does outweighs the bad. A man who has had interesting dreams and visions is telling you this. Perhaps in prayer ask the Father " please let the evidence benefit mankind ". The Father will like you for your "mercy" to your fellow man. I will send you £ 20 when i can.

Regards Michael
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Posted: 28/4/2011 5:09  Updated: 28/4/2011 9:42
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The Shroud is supposed to be about the Archaeology, and the Evidence. Is it true or false. Your web site is not about Roman Catholics and there doctrines. just don't make comments about different beliefs within Christianity
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Posted: 27/4/2011 11:39  Updated: 3/1/2013 10:39
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Simon, Jesus instructed us to make no images of what is in heaven or in earth so he would not leave an "image" behind. Also notice the guys mouth and eyes are closed. Dead persons cannot hold their eyes and mouth closed.

Get smart, you are the one deceived and deceiving.

Seek God with all your heart, mind and soul and stay away from useless controversies and other worldly things Simon.
The time is short and Satan is using this to distract you and others from the fact we are to worship in Spirit and in Truth.

Sheila
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Truth springs from the earth, And righteousness looks down from heaven. Psalm 85:11
Barnes' Notes on the Bible: Truth shall spring out of the earth - As plants do - for this is the meaning of the word. The blessings of truth and righteousness would be like the grass, the shrubs, the flowers, which spring up from the ground - and like the, rain and the sunbeams which come from heaven. Truth would spring up everywhere, and abound in all lands, as plants, and shrubs, and grass spring up all over the earth.

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Matthew 27:51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.
THE SEAL AT THE GARDEN TOMB. - Matthew 27:65 "Take a guard," Pilate answered. "Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how." 66 So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.
Matthew 27.33 They came to a place called Golgotha (which means The Place of the Skull).
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